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		<title>By: almostgotit</title>
		<link>http://www.almostgotit.com/2008/08/23/what-should-knoxvilles-schools-do-now/comment-page-1/#comment-1684</link>
		<dc:creator>almostgotit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?&quot;  - Charles Dickens&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response Sandra H&#039;s comment &quot;I don&#039;t believe school officials could have prevented this shooting&quot; 
 A national security expert that has been advising schools for over 20 years on safety looked at the circumstances of this particular shooting and said it could have easily been prevented.  The past records of these two boys involved were major red flags.  No one likes to believe a child is capable of murder, but talk to any inner city elementary school teacher and they can point out the kids that are capable of exactly that.  I don&#039;t want to place blame either (especially since super McIntyre is new on the job), but why can&#039;t the administration have the guts to say we missed the red flags, we are going to do everything we can to change that, instead of Knox County schools are safe, isolated incident..blah blah.  Sounds like a politician, for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response Sandra H&#8217;s comment &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe school officials could have prevented this shooting&#8221;<br />
 A national security expert that has been advising schools for over 20 years on safety looked at the circumstances of this particular shooting and said it could have easily been prevented.  The past records of these two boys involved were major red flags.  No one likes to believe a child is capable of murder, but talk to any inner city elementary school teacher and they can point out the kids that are capable of exactly that.  I don&#8217;t want to place blame either (especially since super McIntyre is new on the job), but why can&#8217;t the administration have the guts to say we missed the red flags, we are going to do everything we can to change that, instead of Knox County schools are safe, isolated incident..blah blah.  Sounds like a politician, for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra H</title>
		<link>http://www.almostgotit.com/2008/08/23/what-should-knoxvilles-schools-do-now/comment-page-1/#comment-1668</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thursday morning one child lost his life, another lost his freedom and an entire school of children lost their innocence--too early.   As a parent of two Central students, Thursday&#039;s shooting shook me to the core.  Like any parent in Knoxville, I wanted to just keep them in my sight the next several days.  While I don&#039;t believe school officials could have prevented this shooting, I do believe all schools in Knox County have room for improvement in the areas of safety and discipline (wonder how many backpacks have guns in them on a daily basis at our middle and high schools?) 

When the initial shock and terror begin to fade and an incredibly busy schedule takes command of life--what am I going to do to make a difference?  What will any of us do to make a difference?  Will we try to eek out the time to become more active in our schools or will we all sit in stunned silence the next time something liket his happens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thursday morning one child lost his life, another lost his freedom and an entire school of children lost their innocence&#8211;too early.   As a parent of two Central students, Thursday&#8217;s shooting shook me to the core.  Like any parent in Knoxville, I wanted to just keep them in my sight the next several days.  While I don&#8217;t believe school officials could have prevented this shooting, I do believe all schools in Knox County have room for improvement in the areas of safety and discipline (wonder how many backpacks have guns in them on a daily basis at our middle and high schools?) </p>
<p>When the initial shock and terror begin to fade and an incredibly busy schedule takes command of life&#8211;what am I going to do to make a difference?  What will any of us do to make a difference?  Will we try to eek out the time to become more active in our schools or will we all sit in stunned silence the next time something liket his happens?</p>
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		<title>By: A Little Tea or Something</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Little Tea or Something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few final thoughts:

1. &quot;I WISH I had 32 sets of eyes or a camera on every desk to determine what children say to one another.&quot;---Marsquat   

Here&#039;s a thought:  How about 15 kids in the classroom instead of 32?

2.  &quot;In terms of relevant training (discipline, best practices, special needs, counseling) public school teachers and administrators are BY FAR more highly trained than private school staff.&quot;---Marsquat   

I agree, but not every public school teacher in our system gets the training; enrichment teachers (at least at the middle school our child attended) do not.  What good is the training if only some teachers are getting it, when needy children receive instruction from all of them over the course of the school day?

3.  &quot;Do public schools have more “problem students” to handle- possibly, but not necessarily.&quot;---Marsquat   

Yes, public schools do have more &quot;problem students&quot; to handle, because the private school solution to the so-called &quot;problem student&quot; is expulsion.  That way the child can be someone else&#039;s problem.

4.  &quot;After a year of our very bright and obedient daughter coming home in tears of frustration from the other children’s frequent outbursts....&quot; and &quot;I really don’t know what to do to help fix it except for raise children who are GOOD.&quot;---Alice Gold  

A fix for the problems raised in Almostgotit&#039;s post, and the brilliant article she referenced, and in these comments, must include the not-so-bright, disobedient, and &quot;bad&quot; among us.  Rounding them all up and sending them somewhere is no kind of solution.  And by the way:  sometimes, in spite of our best efforts as parents, we do not end up with the &quot;bright and obedient&quot; child we had hoped for.  Count your blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few final thoughts:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;I WISH I had 32 sets of eyes or a camera on every desk to determine what children say to one another.&#8221;&#8212;Marsquat   </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a thought:  How about 15 kids in the classroom instead of 32?</p>
<p>2.  &#8220;In terms of relevant training (discipline, best practices, special needs, counseling) public school teachers and administrators are BY FAR more highly trained than private school staff.&#8221;&#8212;Marsquat   </p>
<p>I agree, but not every public school teacher in our system gets the training; enrichment teachers (at least at the middle school our child attended) do not.  What good is the training if only some teachers are getting it, when needy children receive instruction from all of them over the course of the school day?</p>
<p>3.  &#8220;Do public schools have more “problem students” to handle- possibly, but not necessarily.&#8221;&#8212;Marsquat   </p>
<p>Yes, public schools do have more &#8220;problem students&#8221; to handle, because the private school solution to the so-called &#8220;problem student&#8221; is expulsion.  That way the child can be someone else&#8217;s problem.</p>
<p>4.  &#8220;After a year of our very bright and obedient daughter coming home in tears of frustration from the other children’s frequent outbursts&#8230;.&#8221; and &#8220;I really don’t know what to do to help fix it except for raise children who are GOOD.&#8221;&#8212;Alice Gold  </p>
<p>A fix for the problems raised in Almostgotit&#8217;s post, and the brilliant article she referenced, and in these comments, must include the not-so-bright, disobedient, and &#8220;bad&#8221; among us.  Rounding them all up and sending them somewhere is no kind of solution.  And by the way:  sometimes, in spite of our best efforts as parents, we do not end up with the &#8220;bright and obedient&#8221; child we had hoped for.  Count your blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: almostgotit</title>
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		<dc:creator>almostgotit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Thanks, as always, for your thoughtful comments, Alice.  You are a good mama, and sounds like you really did the right thing to move your child(/ren?) to another school.  You raise a lot of really good questions and frustrations that I think many of us share.  (and yes, I *did* like your word &quot;thug!&quot;)  

I wonder what we shall do with all the bad children?&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Thanks, as always, for your thoughtful comments, Alice.  You are a good mama, and sounds like you really did the right thing to move your child(/ren?) to another school.  You raise a lot of really good questions and frustrations that I think many of us share.  (and yes, I *did* like your word &#8220;thug!&#8221;)  </p>
<p>I wonder what we shall do with all the bad children?</em></p>
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		<title>By: Alice Gold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are very welcome for the term &quot;thug&quot;.

I don&#039;t have all the answers, but I will tell you that the schools need a way to send troubled kids where they will get help, and away from distracting learning and teaching. This is going on CONSTANTLY at many schools in our County.

It was a HUGE joke to me at our old school. The number one point of the school&#039;s mission statement was to provide a SAFE place where learning can take place. 

Yet, as far as I am concerned, EVERY student at that school was being bullied by the other troubled kids. There was at LEAST one in every classroom. They had such severe behavior problems and there was no way for the teachers to properly address them. 

These kids are robbing their peers of their education every day. All that our children are being taught in inner city schools is A Lord of The Flies philosophy. The person with the worst behavior and the meanest or most negligient parents gets the most attention and usually gets his way.

Moving on to my thought #2. The superintendent saying that our kids were safe is like saying that we have the best education America has to offer. Don&#039;t you think that there is a correlation between the behavior of students and the amount of learning that actually takes place?

I almost died in our meeting at our old No Child Left Behind school. The County administration came in and told all the parents all of the reasons that they should keep their kids at the school. &quot;We will have this kind of money. We will have this new program. We will be getting better teaching staff.&quot; I had seen the frustrations of the already great staff. It was as if their hands were tied...what were new teachers really going to be able to do?

After a year of our very bright and obedient daughter coming home in tears of frustration from the other children&#039;s frequent outbursts, I knew that these promises would mean absolutely nothing. It was as if they thought the hype over all these new funds would convince the parents of poverty to stay because our school was going to become the golden school overnight.

I posed the question. &quot;I have learned through experience that it is the behavior problems that are not allowing learning to take place, what is your plan to remedy this?&quot; I was almost laughed at by every administer there. They acted as if I was the crazy one. They assumed no reponsibility for bad behavior and they acted as if it never took place.

I have been told that our schools&#039; administrations don&#039;t like to properly discipline through suspension or expulsion because it makes their competant reputation questioned.

This is EXACTLY what is wrong with our society as a whole. Everyone just seems to turn a blind eye. I really don&#039;t know what to do to help fix it except for raise children who are GOOD. Right now, our kids lucked into a great school where it seems we have rewound about 20 years and the people are all still pretty decent and good. The parents care about learning and they don&#039;t need the school to teach character to their kids. Thank God that I have found that for my kids. And, I have every realization that depending on the parents of our society this utopia may or may not last.

It&#039;s when the parents who don&#039;t care outnumber the parents who do that we will all be in even bigger trouble. 

Totally agree with Ryan....let&#039;s start a revolution to take our schools back. It starts by every individual taking personal responsibility....both parent and student...and then giving the schools the right to NOT educate the ones who do not want to comply!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are very welcome for the term &#8220;thug&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have all the answers, but I will tell you that the schools need a way to send troubled kids where they will get help, and away from distracting learning and teaching. This is going on CONSTANTLY at many schools in our County.</p>
<p>It was a HUGE joke to me at our old school. The number one point of the school&#8217;s mission statement was to provide a SAFE place where learning can take place. </p>
<p>Yet, as far as I am concerned, EVERY student at that school was being bullied by the other troubled kids. There was at LEAST one in every classroom. They had such severe behavior problems and there was no way for the teachers to properly address them. </p>
<p>These kids are robbing their peers of their education every day. All that our children are being taught in inner city schools is A Lord of The Flies philosophy. The person with the worst behavior and the meanest or most negligient parents gets the most attention and usually gets his way.</p>
<p>Moving on to my thought #2. The superintendent saying that our kids were safe is like saying that we have the best education America has to offer. Don&#8217;t you think that there is a correlation between the behavior of students and the amount of learning that actually takes place?</p>
<p>I almost died in our meeting at our old No Child Left Behind school. The County administration came in and told all the parents all of the reasons that they should keep their kids at the school. &#8220;We will have this kind of money. We will have this new program. We will be getting better teaching staff.&#8221; I had seen the frustrations of the already great staff. It was as if their hands were tied&#8230;what were new teachers really going to be able to do?</p>
<p>After a year of our very bright and obedient daughter coming home in tears of frustration from the other children&#8217;s frequent outbursts, I knew that these promises would mean absolutely nothing. It was as if they thought the hype over all these new funds would convince the parents of poverty to stay because our school was going to become the golden school overnight.</p>
<p>I posed the question. &#8220;I have learned through experience that it is the behavior problems that are not allowing learning to take place, what is your plan to remedy this?&#8221; I was almost laughed at by every administer there. They acted as if I was the crazy one. They assumed no reponsibility for bad behavior and they acted as if it never took place.</p>
<p>I have been told that our schools&#8217; administrations don&#8217;t like to properly discipline through suspension or expulsion because it makes their competant reputation questioned.</p>
<p>This is EXACTLY what is wrong with our society as a whole. Everyone just seems to turn a blind eye. I really don&#8217;t know what to do to help fix it except for raise children who are GOOD. Right now, our kids lucked into a great school where it seems we have rewound about 20 years and the people are all still pretty decent and good. The parents care about learning and they don&#8217;t need the school to teach character to their kids. Thank God that I have found that for my kids. And, I have every realization that depending on the parents of our society this utopia may or may not last.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s when the parents who don&#8217;t care outnumber the parents who do that we will all be in even bigger trouble. </p>
<p>Totally agree with Ryan&#8230;.let&#8217;s start a revolution to take our schools back. It starts by every individual taking personal responsibility&#8230;.both parent and student&#8230;and then giving the schools the right to NOT educate the ones who do not want to comply!</p>
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		<title>By: Susannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our kids are not safe anywhere really.  If you look at statistics, we should be absolutely terrified everytime we drive somewhere with them in the car.  I often wonder just how much media skews our ideas of what is truly a risk to our lives.  We don&#039;t hear how many kids are killed in drunk driving accidents in Knoxville but we sure hear about school shootings.  So what do we do?  Knee jerk reactions are usually not helpful in the long term.  
If the shooting was truly a isolated event, should the school change their policies drastically immediately? 
Yes, my kids go to public schools.  They are in a fairly affluent community but I don&#039;t think that makes them much safer.  I hear there was a pot bust in the middle school last year and a two 6th graders tried to poison their teacher two years ago (making the state level news).  And the local oooh-la-la private school had a sex abuse incident with a 12 year old girl and a 25+ year old alumni (volunteering as a chaperone) recently.  So no, our kids are not &quot;safe&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our kids are not safe anywhere really.  If you look at statistics, we should be absolutely terrified everytime we drive somewhere with them in the car.  I often wonder just how much media skews our ideas of what is truly a risk to our lives.  We don&#8217;t hear how many kids are killed in drunk driving accidents in Knoxville but we sure hear about school shootings.  So what do we do?  Knee jerk reactions are usually not helpful in the long term.<br />
If the shooting was truly a isolated event, should the school change their policies drastically immediately?<br />
Yes, my kids go to public schools.  They are in a fairly affluent community but I don&#8217;t think that makes them much safer.  I hear there was a pot bust in the middle school last year and a two 6th graders tried to poison their teacher two years ago (making the state level news).  And the local oooh-la-la private school had a sex abuse incident with a 12 year old girl and a 25+ year old alumni (volunteering as a chaperone) recently.  So no, our kids are not &#8220;safe&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: truevyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>truevyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I need to wordsmith my comment above...
My first thought after the phonecall was &quot;Bologna...&quot; 


 I just believe saying, &quot;your children are safe&quot; is not a promise anyone can make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I need to wordsmith my comment above&#8230;<br />
My first thought after the phonecall was &#8220;Bologna&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p> I just believe saying, &#8220;your children are safe&#8221; is not a promise anyone can make.</p>
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		<title>By: truevyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>truevyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got that call as well, and my first thought after &quot;Your children are safe&quot; was pronounced was, &quot;Bologna.  There is no way you can know that.&quot;  I&#039;m not mad or jaded when I say that.  I just believe a promise no one, superintendent included, can irrefutably make.  Bullies, school shootings, bomb threats, drug dogs, terrorist threats are part of the school experience and will take them as they come.

Speaking of bullies:  I&#039;m proud of you for advocating for your children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got that call as well, and my first thought after &#8220;Your children are safe&#8221; was pronounced was, &#8220;Bologna.  There is no way you can know that.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not mad or jaded when I say that.  I just believe a promise no one, superintendent included, can irrefutably make.  Bullies, school shootings, bomb threats, drug dogs, terrorist threats are part of the school experience and will take them as they come.</p>
<p>Speaking of bullies:  I&#8217;m proud of you for advocating for your children.</p>
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		<title>By: almostgotit</title>
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		<dc:creator>almostgotit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt; @James, Kathy and Marsquat: how interesting to get these different points of view, from the perspective of public/private school teachers.  

@Ryan:  I would be emotional and screaming, too.  I am so sorry that your family and school have been caught up in this terrible thing -- so, so sorry.  I am also glad to hear that as a parent you (with other parents) have been voicing your concerns.  Thank you very much for taking the time to leave your words here.  &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> @James, Kathy and Marsquat: how interesting to get these different points of view, from the perspective of public/private school teachers.  </p>
<p>@Ryan:  I would be emotional and screaming, too.  I am so sorry that your family and school have been caught up in this terrible thing &#8212; so, so sorry.  I am also glad to hear that as a parent you (with other parents) have been voicing your concerns.  Thank you very much for taking the time to leave your words here.  </em></p>
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